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		<title>By: Does Pay For Performance Improve Healthcare Quality? - Better Health</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Pay For Performance Improve Healthcare Quality? - Better Health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] says something I’ve said many times before (like here, here, and here).  Which is this: incentives fail because they try to treat medicine as an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] says something I’ve said many times before (like here, here, and here).  Which is this: incentives fail because they try to treat medicine as an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Does Paying Doctors More Lead to Better Quality? &#171; See First Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Paying Doctors More Lead to Better Quality? &#171; See First Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] says something I&#8217;ve said many times before (like here, here, and here).  Which is this: incentives fail because they try to treat medicine as an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Falchuk</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Falchuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work!</p>
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		<title>By: MKirschMD</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-637</link>
		<dc:creator>MKirschMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, here it is. You can &#039;see first&#039;.  MK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, here it is. You can &#39;see first&#39;.  MK</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Falchuk</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Falchuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work!</p>
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		<title>By: MKirschMD</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>MKirschMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, here it is. You can &#039;see first&#039;.  MK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, here it is. You can &#39;see first&#39;.  MK</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Falchuk</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Falchuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling P4P &quot;pay for paperwork&quot; would be funny if it weren&#039;t so tragic.  I think you&#039;re right, Michael, that these measures are misguided.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile, get thyself a profile pic in Disqus, the unblinking stare of that box does you a disservice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling P4P &#8220;pay for paperwork&#8221; would be funny if it weren&#39;t so tragic.  I think you&#39;re right, Michael, that these measures are misguided.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, get thyself a profile pic in Disqus, the unblinking stare of that box does you a disservice!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Falchuk</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Falchuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Gregg, you raise important points.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s of course true that the law of large numbers is important if you&#039;re trying to measure something that needs big numbers for the metric to work, but at the end of the day, the whole set of assumptions is wrong.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, there are things that can and should be measured on the basis of a population.  But care gets delivered to individuals, and quality happens at that level.  Unfortunately, most P4P programs are conflating these notions to the detriment of care.  It&#039;s like using Newtonian physics to predict quantum events, or something like that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Gregg, you raise important points.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s of course true that the law of large numbers is important if you&#39;re trying to measure something that needs big numbers for the metric to work, but at the end of the day, the whole set of assumptions is wrong.  </p>
<p>Yes, there are things that can and should be measured on the basis of a population.  But care gets delivered to individuals, and quality happens at that level.  Unfortunately, most P4P programs are conflating these notions to the detriment of care.  It&#39;s like using Newtonian physics to predict quantum events, or something like that!</p>
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		<title>By: MKirschMD</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>MKirschMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, “Pay them extra if they do well, and you’ll see improvements as they try to earn that extra pay.”   Thusfar, I have been unimpressed with the available quality intiatives that are in practice or in formation.  We participated in the PQRI (Physician Quality Reporting Initiative) a federal government project that was supposed to reward quality with increased reimbursement.  If our experience is representative, it cost our practice lots of time and money and did nothing to improve true medical quality.  It wasn’t Pay 4 Performance; it was Pay 4 Paperwork.   Measuring medical quality is enigmatic.  In my view, true medical quality is not easily defined or measured.   Judging physicians on variables that are easily measurable will generate data, but will it accomplish the mission?  I’m a skeptic.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, “Pay them extra if they do well, and you’ll see improvements as they try to earn that extra pay.”   Thusfar, I have been unimpressed with the available quality intiatives that are in practice or in formation.  We participated in the PQRI (Physician Quality Reporting Initiative) a federal government project that was supposed to reward quality with increased reimbursement.  If our experience is representative, it cost our practice lots of time and money and did nothing to improve true medical quality.  It wasn’t Pay 4 Performance; it was Pay 4 Paperwork.   Measuring medical quality is enigmatic.  In my view, true medical quality is not easily defined or measured.   Judging physicians on variables that are easily measurable will generate data, but will it accomplish the mission?  I’m a skeptic.  <a href="http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Masters</title>
		<link>http://www.seefirstblog.com/2009/12/09/why-would-you-pay-more-for-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan: The pay for quality or performance (PFP) mantra has indeed surface if not tangible appeal, but the article raises legitimate obstacles along the path of redesign.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The same argument of &#039;law of large numbers&#039; applied in the 90s as more and more health plans looked to capitate risk bearing entities whether medical groups, IPAs or joint venture PHOs. The fatal flaw was the inability, from a cost and utilization perspective, to align the behavior of the enrolled members with the actuarial projections of the well compensated benefits consultants. The net was massive losses particularly in those entities lacking membership scale and thus a reasonable mathematical expectation of real world events to conform with &#039;expected&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We wight caution the P4P appeal with a similar practical hedge. Yet, we must redesign the failed financing and delivery paradigms in this country and can not let legitimate considerations derail forward movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan: The pay for quality or performance (PFP) mantra has indeed surface if not tangible appeal, but the article raises legitimate obstacles along the path of redesign.</p>
<p>The same argument of &#39;law of large numbers&#39; applied in the 90s as more and more health plans looked to capitate risk bearing entities whether medical groups, IPAs or joint venture PHOs. The fatal flaw was the inability, from a cost and utilization perspective, to align the behavior of the enrolled members with the actuarial projections of the well compensated benefits consultants. The net was massive losses particularly in those entities lacking membership scale and thus a reasonable mathematical expectation of real world events to conform with &#39;expected&#39;.</p>
<p>We wight caution the P4P appeal with a similar practical hedge. Yet, we must redesign the failed financing and delivery paradigms in this country and can not let legitimate considerations derail forward movement.</p>
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